He hasn't come out too badly but there are some definite tweaks I will need to make to the way I paint these guys. I haven't had chance to replace my camera yet so the pics aren't that flash but they give an idea as to where the mini is going.
The verdigris is very bright in the pics and although not so bright in person, is still a bit much. What I tried selectively was a wash using the blue GW wash (I forget the name right now but its the blue one) which helped tone down the effect so I might stick to that in future.
Also, I need to try something else to highlight both the reds on the shoulder pads, and the metal. I've gone slightly away from the pictures shown in IA:10 by making the vents on the back pack red, as well I will carry the red shoulder pads through for all Marines - IA:10 seems to suggest only the veterans should have red shoulder pads, but I think if the whole mini was metallic it would be a bit much.
The red areas started out with a dark flesh base, then had a layer of dark flesh/scab red applied before a final scab red highlight. I think the final highlight may need some orange in there to brighten it up and make it more defined as it is a tad too subtle in person - the pics have hyper accentuated it.
The metals started with the tin bitz base, then a mix tin bots/dwarf bronze layer then the same mix with some Mithril. The verdigris mix was applied after the base coat so I could cut into and remove excess as I applied my second layer and highlight.
The highlight layer looked quite bright/silvery as I was painting it on, but has dried quite dark. The problem I have is I am not after a stark highlight with the Mithril as that would make the armour too golden - I want to keep it darker - more bronze than gold. Like I said, I need to have a bit more of a play with it I think.
I've stayed away from using much of the silver metal colours as it contrasts horribly with the main colour. With the hammer head I attempted a marble effect which worked in places and not others, so that will get a look into later as well.
I did a bit of basic free hand on the pads to add the tactical arrow and the chapter symbol which was fun to do - nice basic shapes, but it took me a while as I was trying to keep it neat but easy to reproduce on future models although looking at that last picture, the tactical arrow is crooked - lame. Its also quite bright as I did it in white. I might change it to an outline of the arrow only and fill in the centre, or maybe change to black/grey to match the colours used on the chapter symbol.
I'm posting this as my Warhound Titan takes a bath in some simple green to help with the removal of the mold release agent that was coating the mini. Thanks go to The Inner Geek for his tutorials/project logs he has posted first in relation to his Reaver Titan, and now in relation to his two Warhound Titans. Its really good to have this resource available to pick up little tips to make sure the model comes good.
Cheers all,
Pom
If you're worried about the brightness of the white, then a mixture with codex grey, dheneb stone, or bleached bone can certainly help with that.
ReplyDeleteCheers jabberjabber - I was actually thinking of a similar mix - if two of us are thinking it then it can't be wrong can it.
ReplyDeleteThanks mate - Pom
Very nice stuff. I think the verdigris looks fine actually, but thats just me. As you say its always different in real life than in photos.
ReplyDeleteHow are you getting on over in Auz?
Looking good.
ReplyDeleteYou mint want to try two products/paints that vallejo make, the first is vmc bronze,it's an awesome colour and not as red as tin bitz
The second is vallejos verdigris glaze, if you dilute heavily then apply in a few thin washes you have more control over how dark it goes on, and the Vallejo glaze wipes off easily while it's still wet letting you really get in into the recesses and have the raised areas still shiny.
Thanks guys for the comments.
ReplyDelete@ Karitas - I think I have that bronze colour so I will give that a crack - and I will try to get some of the instant verdigris when I make my next paint order.
@ Smurf - Everything on this side of the pond is going well mate - the $AUS is over parity with the $US which is saving me a bucket on international transactions so my wallet is feeling it a bit (Ha).
Our disasters seem to have calmed down a bit and the states are well into a rebuild now although some people are still doing it quite tough which is keeping me busy at work.
Hes cool, I really like the bright white myself!
ReplyDeleteI think the armour colours including the verdigreen looks cool, but if you did want to try something different you could try a green weathering powder. The 2nd forgeworld set has it in or you can purchase it individually, i just like set savings!
Your here is Aus eh? thought you were in the uk... when this all come about?
ReplyDeleteNow being the 'rogue pohm' is more fitting, though i still stand ferm that us aussies are free and those that stayed in england are the pohms :P
(for those non-aussie/brits it means prisoner of her majesty, excuse the spelling)
like the over all colour scheme, and though i do like the red with the metal, im a fluff nut so as much as i like it part of me pouts that you didnt stay true :P
though whose to say you havent got a veteran force, where some are more verteran than the others?
it is a lil too cherry for my liking though, so i do agree with your choice of goin with some orange to brighten it up.
overall great job, especially the hammer, love the marbel look youve given it, as well as the verdigris. was all the verdigris done with Asuryman blue? (i think thats the wash you mean)
again, great job, and would love to see how this looks on a rhino or other vehicle.
I like it, I like it a lot. Especially since it is so unusual. I really like the feel and look of it. It's interesting and catches your eye. Top notch!
ReplyDeleteThanks Crosser, Meph and Flekkzo for popping by and leaving a comment - its a good motivator.
ReplyDelete@ Meph - been over in Aus (SA) for 19 years today in fact. I use Pom rather than Pohm as in my early online gaming career a lot of Yanks had a hard time figuring out what it meant to be so I shortened it.
I haven't gotten further into the force than this test guy so there is still opportunity to retain the full metal look for the basic brothers - IA 10 is non specific with the colouring - some verterans have the red, others don't - some even have the white stripe on the helmet - they are a codex chapter so should follow standard patterning but its a mixed bag so I have taken some creative license.
The verdigris is initially a heavily watered down scaly green/bleached bone mix. I selectively hit parts of it with the asuryman blue (yep thats the one)to see the effect it got and liked it as it tones it down but keeps that green tinge - When I have previously used the thrakka green wash it has completely stunted the look I was going for.
I have some bikes to do when I get past the tactical squads but don't actually have any vehicles yet - they will wait unitl I have most of the foot done.
Thanks again guys.
good to hear you're coping well. Keep up the good work. You give me hope that I too can one day be useful!
ReplyDeleteI like the model, though I agree, the white might be a little bright for the grimdark of the Minotaurs. I wouldn't darken it too much, but maybe just a tad!
ReplyDeleteThanks for the mention. I'm really glad that my blog can act as a resource and be of any assistance at all!
SA eh? hmmmm i got lots of jokes about SA :P
ReplyDeleteanyhoo....
might have to give that technique a crack for the hell of it, im sure i should be able to fit that kind thing in the basing of an army based around a war in an industrial/agricultural area in some form...
perhaps on a war engine of sorts...
yeah, i find if you use a wash that is a similar hue to the base colour (such as green on green as you have mentioned) it doesnt go all that well. the blue makes sense though, lookin at how copper coins get verdigris after a few years, it has that blueish tinge to it.
im not a big fan of GW's inconsistancies in terms of chapter markings and colours... its too all over the place. they need to be more consistant.
Thanks for the feedback Geek and was happy to point people in your direction.
ReplyDeleteI like him, but I'd like to see the weathering go one way or the other. It seems heavy in the recessed areas but nonexistent on the armour plates.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's the pics.
I'd say go heavy overall or go real light overall. I think it would blend the two elements (the color of the armour and the weathering) together better.
Ron, From the Warp
Thanks for the feedback Ron. The photos aren't the best, but you are right in that some of the recesses have carried the verdigris more heavily then others. Not sure if its this specific model though as his armour has some deeper spots.
ReplyDeleteI am working on some normal Tacatical Marines at the minute and will try to control the flow of the verdigris a bit better.
Fluff wise, the imagery I have available to me suggests it is only the recesses that have the weathering with the flat parts of the plates showing the standard metal - not sure how this is actually achieved in a real world sense.
Thanks again for the feedback.
I'd say to go light overall. Go with painting the armour as though it were new. Give it wash of say Devlan Mud to tone it all down and give it a weathered look.
ReplyDeleteThen do what you did and go back and add in the verdigris.
When you go back again to add you highlights if you will, only add them in the areas where the armour would be handled by people and the dirt/soot/junk would be constantly work away down to the bare metal.
This will be different than where normal highlights would fall on a model, but I think the look would be spectacular.
Ron, From the Warp
Wow - 2 comments from Ron on the one post - thats awesome.
ReplyDeleteI really appreciate that you took the time to provide such detailed feedback mate - I will be sure to give this a try with my next test batch.
Appreciate the advice and will post the results in the coming days.
Dont know if you have seen it but FW are briging out transfers for your guys.
ReplyDeleteHey Derina - Yeah I got the email about that this morning. I am looking at another FW order soon so will likely add it to that.
ReplyDeleteLooking sharp, Pom! Those red accents really catch the eye, I especially like the red casing on the plasma pistol. Great job on the test mini, keep up the good work!
ReplyDeleteAlso my thanks to you and Mephistopheles for the explanation about your online name, very funny!
Thanks Papps - I have gone back to him and added a new highlight on the red using the same final colour with a bit of orange in it to help it 'pop'.
ReplyDeleteI am quite fond of his Plasma Pistol - its a hold over from my other Marine army where all my Sergeants have them.
Ah the name - the amount of times I was called Rogue Porn by an american when gaming - it was so much easier just to shorten it and remove some confusion.
Nice work, I will follow your progress with this chapter. I have started a Minotaurs chapter project myself and its great to see others work on this chapter, keep it up.
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